Market Proof Marketing: Home Builder Marketing Insights

Kevin Oakley: New Home Marketing from Do You Convert
Market Proof Marketing: Home Builder Marketing Insights

A weekly new home marketing podcast for home builders and developers. Each week Kevin Oakley from Do You Convert will break down the headlines, share best-practices and stories from the front line, and perform a deep dive on a relevant marketing topic. We're here to help you - not sell you! No fluff - just honest perspectives on where to invest your time, money, and energy to get the highest volume of quality new home leads to your sales teams. Take action on these ideas, and you can market proof your marketing efforts for your home building company.

  1. 1D AGO

    Ep 385: Content Is Still King - But Now With Receipts

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 385 - Content Still King - Now With Receipts In this episode, Kevin, Beth, and Julie tackle the power of foundational marketing—reminding us that great content isn't a trend, it's the baseline. They unpack why “just run more ads” is a dangerous trap, how AI is becoming a real-world assistant (but also maybe your nosy coworker), and what Disney, Chick-fil-A, and Hamilton all teach us about brand experience. Plus, why resale is back, price reductions aren’t a failure, and cookies might be eternal after all.Story Time (1:15):Julie shares how simply improving website content transformed lead quality and campaign results.Beth reminds us that content needs intentionality—posting for followers ≠ posting for buyers.Beth “confesses” to inviting Kevin to a strategy call—and how collaboration shifted a builder’s mindset.Kevin reflects on staying calm in market chaos and helping new marketers zoom out from ad metrics to real business impact. AI to the rescue: Kevin uses "deep research" AI to fix his fridge (and skips paying an overpriced repair bill).SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSOnline Sales & Marketing Summit 50% Sold Out! Grab Your Tickets TodayIn The News: Opt-In To OpenAI’s Memory Feature? 5 Crucial Things To KnowHow Tariffs Will Impact Digital Ad Spend (in surprising ways!)Google Will Keep Cookies and Backtrack on its Opt-Out PlansNew Data: Google's AI Overviews are Hurting (Some) Click-through RatesThings We Love - Things We Hate:Beth: Loved Disney’s flawless experience (and its marketing mastery); felt the pain of Universal’s less-than-magical contrast.Julie: Finally saw Hamilton live—loved it even more than expected, especially with her fully-costumed son Kevin: Loves carbs in Italy, hates the chaos of driving through medieval towns (and possibly racking up €500 in traffic violations).BONUS - link to the Chik-fil-a article Kevin referencedLike and subscribe on your favorite platform! The post Ep 385: Content Is Still King - But Now With Receipts appeared first on Online Sales and Marketing for Home Builders - DYC.

    1h 5m
  2. Ep 384: DYC Education Deep Dive – Special Takeover Edition

    APR 24

    Ep 384: DYC Education Deep Dive – Special Takeover Edition

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 384: DYC Education Deep Dive – Special Takeover Edition Special Takeover: Mike Lyon & the team discuss all of the DYC educational experiences. With Kevin Oakley away in Italy, Mike Lyon leads a lively and insightful discussion with the DYC team about their robust lineup of educational offerings for home builder sales and marketing professionals. Expect laughs, passionate pitches, and a whole lot of insider knowledge.💡 Highlights of Educational Programs:🧠 Online Sales & Marketing Summit• Returning to Chicago by popular demand• Focuses on education, networking, and industry best practices• Largest gathering of online sales specialists in the industry• “The biggest party for online sales specialists in the universe!”🎓 Online Sales Academy• 8-week virtual course for new or untrained OSCs• Includes 3 live sessions + on-demand training• Offers a certification upon completion• Next session: Starts May 20, 2025👩‍💼 Online Sales Academy: Leadership Edition• For leaders managing OSCs• Includes 3-day kickoff, quarterly sessions, and summit meet-up• Emphasizes program success metrics and understanding the OSC role📈 Market Proof Marketing Academy• Expanded to include strategy, execution, and leadership insights• Led by Jackie, Sarah, Beth, Julie, Karla, and Kevin• Covers Google/Meta marketing, budgeting, algorithms, and more• Next session: May 6–8, 2025 with follow-ups over 8 weeks🎨 Rise and Design (New!)• A creative retreat for marketers and designers• In-person, hands-on intensive in Columbus, OH (Aug 27–28)• Co-led by Karla Tuten and Kevin Oakley• Designed for brand, creative, and marketing teams needing community and deeper problem-solving🤝 Marketing Leadership Collective• Year-long leadership development for marketers• Involves curated peer groups, guest speakers, mentorship, and industry-first previews• Originated as a “shadow project,” now a cornerstone experience• Invitation-based, application required 🗣️ Notable Quotes:• “This is like a crash course in new home marketing—by nerds, for nerds.” – Jackie• “You’ll feel seen. Inspired. Reinvigorated.” – Beth• “We’re doing the Lord’s work.” – Mike (in jest) 📢 Closing Notes:• Subscribe, rate & review the podcast• Share feedback at show@doyouconvert.com• Join the free DYC All Access membership for behind-the-scenes content• Special thanks to all past and future Academy attendees!Transcript"Mike Lyon: Yeah, yeah, some little behind the scenes before we get on.Mike Lyon: Mike was chastising everybody about the audio.Mike Lyon: Jen was right.Mike Lyon: Prize.Jen Barkan: Surprise, surprise.Beth Russell: Know, self-proclaimed audio engineer.Mike Lyon: Yes, I build websites, and I have Misophonia which you can. Google, that one, ladies and gentlemen hey, welcome to episode 384. My name is Mike Lyon, and with me today are these illustrious, wonderful people, Beth, Jackie, Sarah Jen. Carla will join us eventually, and the sound is a little bit differentMike Lyon: my voice, because Kevin Oakley is gone. He is on a world world tour of ItalyMike Lyon: with his wife for his 20thMike Lyon: wedding anniversary. And I was thinking about this guys, have you, have you ever seen Kevin go anywhere with Jess's wife?Jackie Lipinski: Now.Jen Barkan: No.Mike Lyon: I have.Mike Lyon: I don't think I have either.Jackie Lipinski: I'm pretty sure he giggled in a video. And I was like, What is that, Kevin?Mike Lyon: What is happening.Jackie Lipinski: Yeah.Jen Barkan: Eating ice, eating gelato twice.Mike Lyon: I know.Jen Barkan: We've been.Mike Lyon: Stalking his stories. But I really would. I want to fact, check that when he gets back to see if he has ever been somewhere, just with his wife only.Mike Lyon: But we're so happy for him. What do we do when he's gone? We take over the podcastMike Lyon: and I knowMike Lyon: you know the opening says that we're here to help you not sell you. But when Mike takes over I start selling stuff.Jen Barkan: No.Beth Russell: Oh, my goodness!Mike Lyon: Watch out everybody. Yeah, it's gonna happen. No. But what are we? What do we want to do? We want to do something fun and unique.Mike Lyon: This for this podcast and not just to obviously drop something on you, but also save it for posterity in the future. Because we have so many educational opportunities for our builder partners, and beyond in the home builder space that we wanted to go through each one and kind of talk about what it is and who it's for. And so that's why we have these awesome people together. We're going to try and break the Internet and just invite everybodyMike Lyon: from our our company to joinMike Lyon: So that's what we're gonna do today. Excuse me, and then we'll we'll take and put this out there. So if someone, you know sends an email and says, Should I come to? You know the marketing leadership collective? We'll go, hey? Listen to this cause Beth's gonna talk about it.Mike Lyon: How does that sound? Everybody? You guys excited.Jackie Lipinski: Yeah.Jen Barkan: Oh, I'm.Beth Russell: So.Jen Barkan: Excited.Mike Lyon: You sound. You guys, all.Jen Barkan: I.Mike Lyon: Unacceptable.Mike Lyon: He was like.Jen Barkan: Excited.Jackie Lipinski: So excited.Jen Barkan: So excited. I cannot wait to talk about this.Mike Lyon: We're going to.Beth Russell: Soundboard.Mike Lyon: Shut it down.Beth Russell: Sounds.Mike Lyon: We're gonna do this another time. All right. No, here we go. Just so let's start 1st with a Biggie, the Biggie, because when you're hearing this.Mike Lyon: ladies and gentlemen. It will be live and open and available to the public.Jen Barkan: Hmm.Mike Lyon: Drumroll, please. It's the online sales and marketing summit.Jen Barkan: Working.Mike Lyon: We're turning back over to our the magical city of Chicago. We're going back to Chicago by popular demand. Everybody loved it. Everybody loves the food scene there. It's like a Timu New York. What is it? It's like?Mike Lyon: It's like.Jackie Lipinski: Hey!Mike Lyon: 50% of New York for like 50% of the price. You know, that's why we love Chicago. It really is fun. Did you guys have fun last time.Beth Russell: Yeah.Jen Barkan: Oh, my God!Beth Russell: Chicago. It was always my favorite, too, like when I was still in the seat, and would attend.Beth Russell: Chicago is my favorite.Mike Lyon: It is a special city, Jackie. Why did you get so offended? Because you're from Chicago.Jackie Lipinski: Yeah, of course, I'm like.Jen Barkan: Yeah.Jackie Lipinski: You're like hurting my hometown, I was like, oh, yes, it is amazing. It is better, although I've never been in New York, so don't bite me.Mike Lyon: No, judge, no, don't judge. What I was saying is, Chicago is awesome. I mean, I go to Chicago like once a year, just on my own with my wife I mean.Jackie Lipinski: Like the walkability of the venue is great. And this year we're changing up with like the date of the week. And because so many people were staying for through the weekend we're like, alright, let's make it built in. So most people can continue to see that weekend. So.Mike Lyon: So.Jackie Lipinski: I'm really excited.Mike Lyon: We're excited about the summit. We've been there done that we're going back to the same hotel, so we know how to make this awesome, and we're bringing in some magical speakers. We always like to rotate some of those speakers on the on the 1st morning, and then plug in our attendees to speak in the seat. But let's talk about what the online sales and marketing summit is for those of you who may not know or they're hearing this, this is like,Mike Lyon: the event where you get a little taste and a sample of all the things that you can do in in the marketing, online marketing world and the online sales world and the creative services world, and you get people talking about like cool stuff that they're doing. And it's all over 2 days.Mike Lyon: Lot of it's content, rich. It is content, heavy. And we give all this stuff to you. Jam packed in 2 days, and we do it all for the price of admission. We're not going to sell you anything else. You're not going to get hounded by our partners. They're there to just learn alongside with you.Mike Lyon: So it's just a different vibe. I don't know. I I we've tried to create something around it, and we did it a little bit on accident.Mike Lyon: Following that pro. You know, thing like we're gonna help you not sell you. I'm gonna give you everything for free. Last year, unbeknownst to me, Mike, the Scrooge Mcduck, over here.Mike Lyon: They just put a whole all our books on the back end for free, and people were just taking our books I was like, I didn't know we were doing that. That's fun. It's like Christmas. Jen, what do you think about the summit? What do you like about it?Jen Barkan: Well, I know I'm biased. But I've been to a lot of different conferences. And this is truly unique. One, speaking from the online sales side of things. It is the biggest party for online sales specialists in the universe. Because there's nothing like this. I mean, we're bringing hundreds of online sales specialists together. And you know, as an attendee, my 1st year I remember sitting there looking around, going. These are all my people.Jen Barkan: and we've even had that feedback from, you know, over the years of like, Hey, you guys are great. Of course I love hearing from you and learning from you. But where I get so much is just from the people sitting at my table, and those conversations that happen, you know, in between sessions.Jen Barkan: So it's it really is just a unique special experience out there in the industry.Mike Lyon: Yeah, I love that. It is the largest collectionMike Lyon: of online sales specialists in the known universe.Mike Lyon: So that it is fun. I think last year was over 160Mike Lyon: that were literally online sales, specialists not just adjacent.J

    38 min
  3. APR 17

    Ep 383: You’re Not as Ready as You Think

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 383 -You’re Not as Ready as You ThinkKevin and Jackie reveal why real preparation means more than feeling ready—it means verifying your tools, processes, and assumptions. They challenge builders to stop reacting to trends and instead double down on differentiation, deliberate marketing, and human connection. Plus: why AI-generated content might begin hurting your SEO, and what billiard balls can teach you about chaos and prediction.Story Time: Jackie jump-starts a stranger’s car… and realizes her own “safety net” (a dead jumper box) was useless.Why checking your “mental trunk” matters: skills and tools degrade if you’re not recharging them.Kevin dives into why you can’t (and shouldn’t) try to prepare for every emergency🧠 1000Watt Event Takeaway: Why huddling with the herd is the worst marketing move you can make.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSOnline Sales & Marketing Summit Tickets Now On Sale!In The News: As Economic Challenges Persist, Your Brand Can Still InnovateGoogle quality raters now assess whether content is AI-generatedSocial media 'most overrated' marketing skill, study finds Things We Love - Things We Hate:Kevin loves babysitters—especially when you’re sneaking away to Italy for an anniversary trip. Hates the long flights (but admits they’re peaceful without kids!).Jackie loves her mini greenhouse, packed with 90 tomato plants, and the pure joy of sharing the food.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform! The post Ep 383: You’re Not as Ready as You Think appeared first on Online Sales and Marketing for Home Builders - DYC.

    48 min
  4. Ep 382 - Your First 3 Ideas Always Suck

    APR 10

    Ep 382 - Your First 3 Ideas Always Suck

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 382 - Your First 3 Ideas Always SuckKevin, Julie, and Jackie unpack the difference between shortcut thinking and strategic depth in marketing—from the value of real buyer stories to asking better follow-up questions. They explore how transparency, timing, and self-awareness can shape stronger marketing strategies without leaning on fear or fluff. Plus: AI overload, advisory boards, and what happens when salespeople skip the long game.Story Time: Julie shares the best interview question she’s heard—and how it changes team culture. Jackie’s husband donates blood—and the group discusses how builders can build loyalty by closing the feedback loop. Kevin reflects on the difference between discovering problems vs. solving them once—and why advisory boards must be experiential, not just informational.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Final Chance!Online Sales & Marketing Summit Tickets Now On Sale!In The News: Why "Just" is the Most Dangerous Word in Marketing and DesignDebt Data Rings AlarmsDo Homebuilders Waste Money on Marketing No One Trusts?Things We Love - Things We Hate:Julie hates that Meta keeps tweaking ad settings behind the scenes—expect an update from Sarah Simmerman soon.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform! The post Ep 382 - Your First 3 Ideas Always Suck appeared first on Online Sales and Marketing for Home Builders - DYC.

    57 min
  5. APR 3

    Ep 381 - The Scooby-Doo Method

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 381 - The Scooby-Doo MethodBeth, Jackie, and Julie uncover the value of process-driven problem-solving in marketing, from diagnosing odd data spikes to rethinking event strategy. They explore how tools like Loom, AI creator hubs, and collaborative data practices can transform communication and performance. Plus, honest talk about what Mercedes at The Masters can teach builders about intentional brand experiences.Story Time (02:06): Jackie’s knee injury turns into a masterclass on data diagnosis and marketing analysis—hello, Market Proof Algorithm IRL.Julie shares a case of suspicious ad results that weren’t what they seemed, and the importance of digging deeper.Beth compares marketing detective work to an episode of House (or Scooby-Doo), and how uncovering truth takes time.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Over 50% of tickets have been sold! Class begins May 6th.Online Sales & Marketing Summit VIP Tickets Now On Sale!In The News (21:13): Meta's Instagram Announces New AI-Powered Tools, Creator Marketing SolutionsBad Data Bleeds Homebuilder Profits - Time to Stop The Loss(Referenced) Attribution is B.S. - 3 Part GuideThings We Love - Things We Hate (31:33):Jackie: Winning her Toastmasters speech competition—proof that exposure therapy works!Julie: Her 16-year-old’s joy over his first car (older than he is).Beth: Watching her Marketing Leadership Collective cohort bond and pour into one another.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform! The post Ep 381 - The Scooby-Doo Method appeared first on Online Sales and Marketing for Home Builders - DYC.

    40 min
  6. MAR 27

    Ep 380 - Buyers Are Liars To Themselves

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 380 - Buyers Are Liars To ThemselvesIn this episode, Kevin, Beth, and Julie dive into the psychological journey of today’s homebuyer—especially how they often say they’re “just looking” while subconsciously preparing to buy. From a sister’s “accidental” contract to the unexpected post-sale influence of a handyman, this one’s all about perception, timing, and customer experience. They also unpack the return of escalation clauses (wait - WHAT?), digital marketing data myths, and the tangled web of AI over-promises—yes, we’re looking at you, Siri.Story Time (01:00): Mike Lyon reflects on early OSC days, when managing leads felt like a side hustle.Kevin Oakley’s family listens to old podcast episodes, roasting his past takes and how you can get more sales with fewer leads.Jackie shares a content strategy for competing with national builders.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Tickets are now available! Class begins May 6th.Online Sales & Marketing Summit VIP Tickets Go On Sale April 4th. You're on the VIP list, right?In The News (16:45): What's Your CTR Telling You?  A Guide to Understanding Click-Through RateApple Is Lying About Apple Intelligence7 Facts About Today's BuyersPerplexity's Biggest Ad Yet Pits Its AI Search Against "Poogle"Things We Love - Things We Hate (41:29):Beth: TwoPages CurtainsJulie: Jiu JitsuKevin: A fancy letter opener, and the guitar his kids got himLike and subscribe on your favorite platform! The post Ep 380 - Buyers Are Liars To Themselves appeared first on Online Sales and Marketing for Home Builders - DYC.

    49 min
  7. MAR 20

    Ep 379 - RocketFin or Red Rocket?

    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 379 - RocketFin or RedRocket?Kevin Oakley is back this week, and is joined by Julie Jarnagin and Beth Russell. This week's episode kicks off with a funny story from Kevin about being everyone's best friend, and shifts into story time, covering insightful calls with builders the team has had recently. News stories discussed include Google lifting its 2019 ban on fingerprinting for advertisers, a deep dive into the effectiveness of builder incentives, AI readiness in homebuilding, and a new task manager blog written by DYC's very own, Samantha Kellenberger!Story Time (02:31): Mike Lyon reflects on early OSC days, when managing leads felt like a side hustle.Kevin Oakley’s family listens to old podcast episodes, roasting his past takes and how you can get more sales with fewer leads.Jackie shares a content strategy for competing with national builders.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Tickets are now available! Class begins May 6th.In The News (24:15): Why "Just" is the Most Dangerous Word in Marketing and DesignRedfin Acquired By Rocket CompaniesAI Search Has Some Big ProblemsGoogle Announces "AI Mode" For Search Results That Only Shows You AI SlopForget Dream Homes - Here's What First Time Buyers Really Want in 2025Things We Love - Things We Hate (53:30):Jackie: Her son’s birthday & the infamous "Bluey" cake fail.Mike: His love-hate relationship with AI for schoolwork.Kevin: Discovering that both he & his wife are obsessed with analogies.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform! The post Ep 379 - RocketFin or Red Rocket? appeared first on Online Sales and Marketing for Home Builders - DYC.

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A weekly new home marketing podcast for home builders and developers. Each week Kevin Oakley from Do You Convert will break down the headlines, share best-practices and stories from the front line, and perform a deep dive on a relevant marketing topic. We're here to help you - not sell you! No fluff - just honest perspectives on where to invest your time, money, and energy to get the highest volume of quality new home leads to your sales teams. Take action on these ideas, and you can market proof your marketing efforts for your home building company.

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